The Dystopian Future is here; liberals \"green energy\" plan is unravelling before our eyes...

[corvid]

On 9/7/22 07:25, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 12:07:53 AM UTC-4, corvid wrote:
9/6/22, 19:16, Gnatguy:
California has

A week or two back, the power was out for about 4 hours. The 42\"
built-in is set to 0F freezer and 37F refrigerator, and when the
power came back, the freezer temp had risen to 16F and the fridge
was STILL 37F!

Here\'s what I think about that - as long as the freezer remains
well below 32F, AI directs a fan to send some freezer air over to
the fridge side.

This machine actually has dual independent cooling systems,
freezer and fridge, and if either were to fail, I suspect AI would
use the remaining system to manage both sections.

How\'s your ol\' Kelvinator doing?

And how does your AI power the fans when the power is out???

Dunno, but convection won\'t swap cold air from below with warmer air above.

Learn some basic physics. The freezer is subjected to a much larger
temp differential than the fresh food compartment- roughly 70o
versus 33o, so the heat loss will be twice that of the fresh food.
Fresh food compartment was being cooled by air convection
circulating through the freezer and doesn\'t require any power.

Fridge and freezer each have independent compressor/condenser/evaporator
of their own. During normal operation, cold air is not tapped off the
freezer to chill the fridge.

Why didn\'t the fridge warm at all? It has much greater wall area per
volume, and more door seals. The bottom freezer is close to a cube.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 12:10:40 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:

On Wednesday, 7 September 2022 at 16:15:01 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
you are stupid dog
and know nothing about modern Peltier technology

I build Peltier heat pumps for heating and efficiency is 2 x
so fit my needs since no noise, vibrations are generated by compressor

You may think you did, but in reality you did no such thing.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 11:08:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 07:31:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 10:16:27 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
California has been shutting down those nasty fossil fueled and nuclear power plants in favor of \"green energy,\" namely wind and solar. Unfortunately, solar power predictably falls off after 3 pm and wind is unpredictable. California has made up for this shortfall by buying power from out of state. But when the heat blankets the entire southwest this power becomes unavailable because local needs trumps California\'s. Also, California is pretty particular about the power it buys - it, too, must be green. This is not my ramblings - it is spelled out by the California Energy Commission (https://www.energy.ca.gov/sites/default/files/2021-09/CEC-200-2021-009.pdf)
\"Additionally, on June 30, 2021, the CPUC issued midterm reliability decision D.21-06-035 ordering the procurement of 11,500 MW NQC from resources that are zero-emission or Renewables Portfolio Standard (RPS) eligible to come online from 2023 to 2026.6 While the proposed decision included authorization to procure up to 1,500 MW NQC of incremental thermal capacity, the final decision removed consideration of fossil-fueled capacity, but noted that additional procurement of fossil-fueled capacity would be valuated based on additional analysis from the CPUC and CEC, including the analysis in this report, for the decision adopting the CPUC’s preferred system plan by the end of 2021.\"

Well, the whole system is crashing down around their ears: California DOES NOT have enough power and is ordering citizens to cut back and to expect rolling blackouts regardless:
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/california-rolling-blackouts-power-grid-heat-wave-hot-weather/
https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2022-09-06/heres-how-to-prepare-for-a-blackout-in-a-heat-wave
https://www.kcra.com/article/live-coverage-california-rolling-outages-pge-smud/41097480
Already tens of thousands of customers are w/o power.

And this is just are harbinger of worse times to come; as the autocrats force citizens to dump their dirty fossil fuel powered cars and buy \"clean\" electric cars the burden on an already overburdened grid is going to do the ONLY thing it can do: GET WORSE.

Don\'t think that this is a problem just isolated to California - the libtards want the SAME dystopian future for ALL OF US!

I expect the resident libtards here, like Bozo Bill and Decayed Brain Matter, to scream and howl, but the facts are simply UNDENIABLE.

As usual you have nearly everything completely WRONG. It doesn\'t do you any good to read a lot of stuff when you lack the basic ability to comprehend it, Sloman is a case in point.
The main reason for the California blackouts at this point in time is due to shutting down transmission feeds through wildfire prone areas during wind season- which turns out to be a lot of reconfiguration and effectively reduced capacity. Generating power with fossil fuels won\'t fix this a bit. They need about $50B of undergrounding rehabilitation of their lines.
California needs rational forest management to keep small, natural
wildfires from becoming giant everything killers. The fire crisis is
man-made.

Looks like a complete absence of forest management to me. They have way too many trees competing for scarce water and soil nutrients, making the trees sickly and susceptible to all kinds blights that healthy trees of their species easily survive. A bunch of dried up dead trees is great kindling. It would have been a lot easier to thin the forest out when the trees were still saplings, but they can\'t do it now except in the burned out areas. Not sure how much of a problem it is there, but there are species of underbrush that produce their own flammable oil, which is something they don\'t need right now, at least not until they get that horrendous mess thinned out.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 13:23:12 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 11:08:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 07:31:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 10:16:27 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
California has been shutting down those nasty fossil fueled and nuclear power plants in favor of \"green energy,\" namely wind and solar. Unfortunately, solar power predictably falls off after 3 pm and wind is unpredictable. California has made up for this shortfall by buying power from out of state. But when the heat blankets the entire southwest this power becomes unavailable because local needs trumps California\'s. Also, California is pretty particular about the power it buys - it, too, must be green. This is not my ramblings - it is spelled out by the California Energy Commission (https://www.energy.ca.gov/sites/default/files/2021-09/CEC-200-2021-009.pdf)
\"Additionally, on June 30, 2021, the CPUC issued midterm reliability decision D.21-06-035 ordering the procurement of 11,500 MW NQC from resources that are zero-emission or Renewables Portfolio Standard (RPS) eligible to come online from 2023 to 2026.6 While the proposed decision included authorization to procure up to 1,500 MW NQC of incremental thermal capacity, the final decision removed consideration of fossil-fueled capacity, but noted that additional procurement of fossil-fueled capacity would be valuated based on additional analysis from the CPUC and CEC, including the analysis in this report, for the decision adopting the CPUC’s preferred system plan by the end of 2021.\"

Well, the whole system is crashing down around their ears: California DOES NOT have enough power and is ordering citizens to cut back and to expect rolling blackouts regardless:
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/california-rolling-blackouts-power-grid-heat-wave-hot-weather/
https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2022-09-06/heres-how-to-prepare-for-a-blackout-in-a-heat-wave
https://www.kcra.com/article/live-coverage-california-rolling-outages-pge-smud/41097480
Already tens of thousands of customers are w/o power.

And this is just are harbinger of worse times to come; as the autocrats force citizens to dump their dirty fossil fuel powered cars and buy \"clean\" electric cars the burden on an already overburdened grid is going to do the ONLY thing it can do: GET WORSE.

Don\'t think that this is a problem just isolated to California - the libtards want the SAME dystopian future for ALL OF US!

I expect the resident libtards here, like Bozo Bill and Decayed Brain Matter, to scream and howl, but the facts are simply UNDENIABLE.

As usual you have nearly everything completely WRONG. It doesn\'t do you any good to read a lot of stuff when you lack the basic ability to comprehend it, Sloman is a case in point.
The main reason for the California blackouts at this point in time is due to shutting down transmission feeds through wildfire prone areas during wind season- which turns out to be a lot of reconfiguration and effectively reduced capacity. Generating power with fossil fuels won\'t fix this a bit. They need about $50B of undergrounding rehabilitation of their lines.
California needs rational forest management to keep small, natural
wildfires from becoming giant everything killers. The fire crisis is
man-made.

Looks like a complete absence of forest management to me. They have way too many trees competing for scarce water and soil nutrients, making the trees sickly and susceptible to all kinds blights that healthy trees of their species easily survive. A bunch of dried up dead trees is great kindling. It would have been a lot easier to thin the forest out when the trees were still saplings, but they can\'t do it now except in the burned out areas. Not sure how much of a problem it is there, but there are species of underbrush that produce their own flammable oil, which is something they don\'t need right now, at least not until they get that horrendous mess thinned out.

There will always be ignition sources. The more resources we use to
put out little fires, the more we\'ll have gigantic firestorms.

Some forests are 10x as dense as they were 100 years ago. In
California, things that grow have to be logged or have to burn.

We should thank the people who start forest fires.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 12:31:23 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 10:16:27 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
California has been shutting down those nasty fossil fueled and nuclear power plants in favor of \"green energy,\" namely wind and solar. Unfortunately, solar power predictably falls off after 3 pm and wind is unpredictable.. California has made up for this shortfall by buying power from out of state. But when the heat blankets the entire southwest this power becomes unavailable because local needs trumps California\'s. Also, California is pretty particular about the power it buys - it, too, must be green. This is not my ramblings - it is spelled out by the California Energy Commission (https://www.energy.ca.gov/sites/default/files/2021-09/CEC-200-2021-009.pdf)
\"Additionally, on June 30, 2021, the CPUC issued midterm reliability decision D.21-06-035 ordering the procurement of 11,500 MW NQC from resources that are zero-emission or Renewables Portfolio Standard (RPS) eligible to come online from 2023 to 2026.6 While the proposed decision included authorization to procure up to 1,500 MW NQC of incremental thermal capacity, the final decision removed consideration of fossil-fueled capacity, but noted that additional procurement of fossil-fueled capacity would be valuated based on additional analysis from the CPUC and CEC, including the analysis in this report, for the decision adopting the CPUC’s preferred system plan by the end of 2021.\"

Well, the whole system is crashing down around their ears: California DOES NOT have enough power and is ordering citizens to cut back and to expect rolling blackouts regardless:
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/california-rolling-blackouts-power-grid-heat-wave-hot-weather/
https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2022-09-06/heres-how-to-prepare-for-a-blackout-in-a-heat-wave
https://www.kcra.com/article/live-coverage-california-rolling-outages-pge-smud/41097480
Already tens of thousands of customers are w/o power.

And this is just are harbinger of worse times to come; as the autocrats force citizens to dump their dirty fossil fuel powered cars and buy \"clean\" electric cars the burden on an already overburdened grid is going to do the ONLY thing it can do: GET WORSE.

Don\'t think that this is a problem just isolated to California - the libtards want the SAME dystopian future for ALL OF US!

I expect the resident libtards here, like Bozo Bill and Decayed Brain Matter, to scream and howl, but the facts are simply UNDENIABLE.
As usual you have nearly everything completely WRONG. It doesn\'t do you any good to read a lot of stuff when you lack the basic ability to comprehend it, Sloman is a case in point.

Not exactly. Fred Bloggs has much the same problem as Gnatguy, but at a rather higher level, and resents my responses almost as much as Gnatguy does

> The main reason for the California blackouts at this point in time is due to shutting down transmission feeds through wildfire prone areas during wind season- which turns out to be a lot of reconfiguration and effectively reduced capacity. Generating power with fossil fuels won\'t fix this a bit. They need about $50B of undergrounding rehabilitation of their lines.

That sounds plausible, which is more than Gnatguy ever seesm to be able to manage.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 1:03:58 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 6 Sep 2022 19:16:23 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

<snip>

It\'s funny how lunatic populations punish themselves on green altars.
Berkeley seems to think that their methane and CO2 stay within their
county line, that draconian expensive nonsense will mitigate their
local climate change.

If they don\'t mitigate their own CO2 emissions, which are remarkably high per head, it\'s silly to expect other people to mitigate theirs.

Nothing that California can do will even mildly offset the CO2 that is
being increasingly generated in China and India and developing Africa.

China spent a huge amount of money to set up a solar cell manufacturing industry that produced them at ten times the volume - and half the unit price - of the competition. They are planning to replace their coal-fired electricity generating plant as fast as they can, but they probably need to scale up the solar cell manufacturing volume by another factor of ten to get it happen as fast as it needs to.

India and Africa are more interesting cases. If they can spread roof-top solar and a domestic over-night batteriesto keep the lights, they can skip a lot of the cost extending the distribution network and still get the advantages of rural electrification.

You do get the electricity more cheaply that way. Solar cells deliver power for less per kilowatt hour than does burning fossil carbon. Wind turnbines can deliver that too, though they aren\'t as cheap a source as solar cells

> The CO2 will increase our agricultural yields.

It there\'s enough water. Climate change induced droughts can play hell what that, and climate change induced floods can be just as destructive to your crops.

The coal and oil and NG that California doesn\'t use, lots of other
people will be happy to buy up at somewhat reduced prices. If we\'re
lucky, they will sell us crazy-expensive electricity when we need it.

You\'ll only need it if you haven\'t invested enough in solar cells and wind turbines to generate your own - and grid storage to cope with the fact that neither of them generates all the time.

Granting the level of pig-ignorance that frequently gets displayed here, there will be a lot of resistance to making that investment.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 1:08:32 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 07:31:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 10:16:27 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

<snip>

The main reason for the California blackouts at this point in time is due to shutting down transmission feeds through wildfire prone areas during wind season- which turns out to be a lot of reconfiguration and effectively reduced capacity. Generating power with fossil fuels won\'t fix this a bit. They need about $50B of undergrounding rehabilitation of their lines.

California needs rational forest management to keep small, natural
wildfires from becoming giant everything killers. The fire crisis is
man-made.

Correct, in that the Californian fire crisis is drought-driven, and that drought owes a lot to anthropogneic global warming.

Once drought has dried out a lot of forest, \"rational fire management\" doesn\'t help. The small natural fires burn up everything they can get at and still become huge - equally natural - forest fires.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 8:19:18 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 13:23:12 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 11:08:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 07:31:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 10:16:27 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

<snip>

Looks like a complete absence of forest management to me. They have way too many trees competing for scarce water and soil nutrients, making the trees sickly and susceptible to all kinds blights that healthy trees of their species easily survive. A bunch of dried up dead trees is great kindling. It would have been a lot easier to thin the forest out when the trees were still saplings, but they can\'t do it now except in the burned out areas. Not sure how much of a problem it is there, but there are species of underbrush that produce their own flammable oil, which is something they don\'t need right now, at least not until they get that horrendous mess thinned out.

There will always be ignition sources.

That\'s true. Most foirst fires get started by lightning strikes

> The more resources we use to put out little fires, the more we\'ll have gigantic firestorms.

This can happen, but foresters are well aware of this, ever if John Larkin isn\'t.

> Some forests are 10x as dense as they were 100 years ago. In California, things that grow have to be logged or have to burn.

If you can avoid the forest fires, fungi clean up dead trees pretty fast.

> We should thank the people who start forest fires.

In Australia we have fuel reduction burns every spring. If the summer is dry enough, we still get forest fires. It\'s not a complete solution.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 3:19:18 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Some forests are 10x as dense as they were 100 years ago. In
California, things that grow have to be logged or have to burn.

Not precisely true; the giant redwoods (and lots of other species of tree)
were, in old-growth examples, so thickly covered in bark and had small
branches so high up, that the SMALL trees and brush would burn, but
not the adults.

Adult giant redwoods number about 2000 nowadays (almost all the old
growth has been logged). Poaching of the trees from protected land is
a problem, because one of those big trees brings a six-figure paycheck
if you can deliver it to a sawmill.

 

[server]

On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 20:28:00 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 3:19:18 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Some forests are 10x as dense as they were 100 years ago. In
California, things that grow have to be logged or have to burn.

Not precisely true; the giant redwoods (and lots of other species of tree)
were, in old-growth examples, so thickly covered in bark and had small
branches so high up, that the SMALL trees and brush would burn, but
not the adults.

And now, the megafirestorms burn everything.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 3:13:08 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 20:28:00 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 3:19:18 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Some forests are 10x as dense as they were 100 years ago. In
California, things that grow have to be logged or have to burn.

Not precisely true; the giant redwoods (and lots of other species of tree)
were, in old-growth examples, so thickly covered in bark and had small
branches so high up, that the SMALL trees and brush would burn, but
not the adults.

And now, the megafirestorms burn everything.

Why do you think that? Where - precisely - did a \"mega-firestorm\" burn all the old growth giant redwoods?

Some sequoia\'s may have been burnt, but many seem to have survived.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/2-000-year-old-redwoods-survive-wildfire-california-s-oldest-n1237949

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 10:13:22 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 12:31:23 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 10:16:27 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
California has been shutting down those nasty fossil fueled and nuclear power plants in favor of \"green energy,\" namely wind and solar. Unfortunately, solar power predictably falls off after 3 pm and wind is unpredictable. California has made up for this shortfall by buying power from out of state. But when the heat blankets the entire southwest this power becomes unavailable because local needs trumps California\'s. Also, California is pretty particular about the power it buys - it, too, must be green. This is not my ramblings - it is spelled out by the California Energy Commission (https://www.energy.ca.gov/sites/default/files/2021-09/CEC-200-2021-009.pdf)
\"Additionally, on June 30, 2021, the CPUC issued midterm reliability decision D.21-06-035 ordering the procurement of 11,500 MW NQC from resources that are zero-emission or Renewables Portfolio Standard (RPS) eligible to come online from 2023 to 2026.6 While the proposed decision included authorization to procure up to 1,500 MW NQC of incremental thermal capacity, the final decision removed consideration of fossil-fueled capacity, but noted that additional procurement of fossil-fueled capacity would be valuated based on additional analysis from the CPUC and CEC, including the analysis in this report, for the decision adopting the CPUC’s preferred system plan by the end of 2021.\"

Well, the whole system is crashing down around their ears: California DOES NOT have enough power and is ordering citizens to cut back and to expect rolling blackouts regardless:
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/california-rolling-blackouts-power-grid-heat-wave-hot-weather/
https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2022-09-06/heres-how-to-prepare-for-a-blackout-in-a-heat-wave
https://www.kcra.com/article/live-coverage-california-rolling-outages-pge-smud/41097480
Already tens of thousands of customers are w/o power.

And this is just are harbinger of worse times to come; as the autocrats force citizens to dump their dirty fossil fuel powered cars and buy \"clean\" electric cars the burden on an already overburdened grid is going to do the ONLY thing it can do: GET WORSE.

Don\'t think that this is a problem just isolated to California - the libtards want the SAME dystopian future for ALL OF US!

I expect the resident libtards here, like Bozo Bill and Decayed Brain Matter, to scream and howl, but the facts are simply UNDENIABLE.
As usual you have nearly everything completely WRONG. It doesn\'t do you any good to read a lot of stuff when you lack the basic ability to comprehend it, Sloman is a case in point.
Not exactly. Fred Bloggs has much the same problem as Gnatguy, but at a rather higher level, and resents my responses almost as much as Gnatguy does
The main reason for the California blackouts at this point in time is due to shutting down transmission feeds through wildfire prone areas during wind season- which turns out to be a lot of reconfiguration and effectively reduced capacity. Generating power with fossil fuels won\'t fix this a bit. They need about $50B of undergrounding rehabilitation of their lines.
That sounds plausible, which is more than Gnatguy ever seesm to be able to manage.

Here\'s a relatively thorough, albeit naive and simple-minded, synopsis of just part of the situation. They should let you read it:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-08-28/public-ownership-pacific-gas-electric-safety-wildfires

Not going to comment on the laughability of the idea the state thinks they can run a better operation than private enterprise. The article mistakenly states PG&E has been prioritizing investor dividend payouts over reinvestment in improved infrastructure. The assertion is ridiculous, they completely suspended dividends at one point in 2021, and the resumed payments are a pittance compared to their total overhead expenses.

Undergrounding power lines using the current technology is a VERY expensive proposition- roughly a $1M per mile (widely variable) depending on a lot of other factors. California has a lot of really rough terrain, which together with everything else costing more there, should make the cost much higher. Then there is the environmental impact of the construction, which considering quite a lot of the work will be done in wilderness areas, is something that HAS to be minimized- not a nice-to-have but a requirement.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 1:13:08 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 20:28:00 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 3:19:18 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Some forests are 10x as dense as they were 100 years ago. In
California, things that grow have to be logged or have to burn.

Not precisely true; the giant redwoods (and lots of other species of tree)
were, in old-growth examples, so thickly covered in bark and had small
branches so high up, that the SMALL trees and brush would burn, but
not the adults.

And now, the megafirestorms burn everything.

The reason for that transcends the forest mismanagement/ neglect. Drought has played a BIG role in contributing to the enormity of the fires. Look at Europe and their forested/ naturalized areas that have been relatively stable during most of recorded history. And brush fires in the city of London of all places that so overwhelmed their fire service the chief of operations plainly stated to the public they would probably be unable to answer any more emergency calls. Then there is the effect of global warming on the general instability of the atmosphere that is responsible for extended periods of high winds and other disturbances that increase the frequency of lightning discharges. The current state of the science can\'t begin to ascertain the effects of the ecosystem in all this other than to estimate it is of utmost significance. Your wilderness areas didn\'t just materialize out of the ether, they were created by the flora and fauna.
Not going to comment on the damned foolishness of residential habitation of forested areas that should not be inhabited by humans- deserts are at the other end of the spectrum of areas that should not be developed for human habitation.

 

[server]

On Tue, 6 Sep 2022 19:16:23 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

California has been shutting down those nasty fossil fueled and nuclear power plants in favor of \"green energy,\" namely wind and solar. Unfortunately, solar power predictably falls off after 3 pm and wind is unpredictable. California has made up for this shortfall by buying power from out of state. But when the heat blankets the entire southwest this power becomes unavailable because local needs trumps California\'s. Also, California is pretty particular about the power it buys - it, too, must be green. This is not my ramblings - it is spelled out by the California Energy Commission (https://www.energy.ca.gov/sites/default/files/2021-09/CEC-200-2021-009.pdf)
\"Additionally, on June 30, 2021, the CPUC issued midterm reliability decision D.21-06-035 ordering the procurement of 11,500 MW NQC from resources that are zero-emission or Renewables Portfolio Standard (RPS) eligible to come online from 2023 to 2026.6 While the proposed decision included authorization to procure up to 1,500 MW NQC of incremental thermal capacity, the final decision removed consideration of fossil-fueled capacity, but noted that additional procurement of fossil-fueled capacity would be valuated based on additional analysis from the CPUC and CEC, including the analysis in this report, for the decision adopting the CPUC’s preferred system plan by the end of 2021.\"

Well, the whole system is crashing down around their ears: California DOES NOT have enough power and is ordering citizens to cut back and to expect rolling blackouts regardless:
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/california-rolling-blackouts-power-grid-heat-wave-hot-weather/
https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2022-09-06/heres-how-to-prepare-for-a-blackout-in-a-heat-wave
https://www.kcra.com/article/live-coverage-california-rolling-outages-pge-smud/41097480
Already tens of thousands of customers are w/o power.

And this is just are harbinger of worse times to come; as the autocrats force citizens to dump their dirty fossil fuel powered cars and buy \"clean\" electric cars the burden on an already overburdened grid is going to do the ONLY thing it can do: GET WORSE.

Don\'t think that this is a problem just isolated to California - the libtards want the SAME dystopian future for ALL OF US!

I expect the resident libtards here, like Bozo Bill and Decayed Brain Matter, to scream and howl, but the facts are simply UNDENIABLE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Owe-MxNu8&t=50s

 

[server]

Flyguy <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in news:17613f3d-55ff-4559-8a74-
e1c20f3f99ddn@googlegroups.com:

> the libtards want the SAME dystopian future for ALL OF US!

Now the retarded GnatTurd shows us that he does not even know the
meanings of words.

This, from the retrded cult that ignores election results and wants
to harm other citizens.

Your whore mother saddled us with her contribution to dystopian
America when the stupid criminal cunt failed to flush the piece of shit
that you are, the moment the severely ass fucked street slut shat you.

 

[a a]

Australia is low population 26M underdeveloped country
so input from Australia makes no science or research

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 6 Sep 2022 21:07:45 -0700, corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

9/6/22, 19:16, Gnatguy:
California has

A week or two back, the power was out for about 4 hours. The 42\"
built-in is set to 0F freezer and 37F refrigerator, and when the power
came back, the freezer temp had risen to 16F and the fridge was STILL 37F!

Here\'s what I think about that - as long as the freezer remains well
below 32F, AI directs a fan to send some freezer air over to the fridge
side.

This machine actually has dual independent cooling systems, freezer and
fridge, and if either were to fail, I suspect AI would use the remaining
system to manage both sections.

AI? A test and a branch is AI?

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 8 Sep 2022 06:28:17 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 1:13:08 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 20:28:00 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 3:19:18 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Some forests are 10x as dense as they were 100 years ago. In
California, things that grow have to be logged or have to burn.

Not precisely true; the giant redwoods (and lots of other species of tree)
were, in old-growth examples, so thickly covered in bark and had small
branches so high up, that the SMALL trees and brush would burn, but
not the adults.

And now, the megafirestorms burn everything.

The reason for that transcends the forest mismanagement/ neglect. Drought has played a BIG role in contributing to the enormity of the fires.

Droughts reduce plant growth, which reduces the material available to
burn. We don\'t have forest fires in deserts.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 1:42:48 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 11:27:19 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 2:14:48 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 2:58:27 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:21:56 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 7:26:50 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 5:17:05 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:39:05 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 3:23:23 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 7:13:22 PM UTC-7, bill.....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 12:31:23 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 10:16:27 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

<snip>

Gnatguy thinks he can hear can hear a bunch of people spread around the world all laughing at once. There is a technical term for that - delusion.

Hey, they SAY SO right here!
Cite?

Do YOUR OWN HOMEWORK!

I do read s.ed. pretty thoroughly. and no amount of homework is going to find something that isn\'t there.

Occasional people on s.e.d. do point out that I shouldn\'t respond to you because it only encourages you, but ignoring people like Skybuck Flying and a a doesn\'t shut them up. Your minders are eventually going to find out that you are a persistent object of derision, and cut off your access to the web. Giving you repeated chances to make an ass of yourself does make this more likely.

So, WHY do you keep replying when you ADMIT you don\'t have the answer? Obviously it is a mental defect and you will NO DOUBT reply to this.

Shooting fish in a barrel isn\'t exactly a skilled task, and neither is popping balloons, but nailing an idiot like you is the same kind of fun, despite the fact that you don\'t seem to notice how ridiculous you end up looking.

See? I TOLD YOU that you would reply because it is a mental defect of yours to have the LAST WORD! And I GUARANTEE that you will reply to this.

Nobody sane would imagine that they\'d have the last word with a clown likje Gnatguy.

> No, YOU look ridiculous when you keep making the SAME claims that you CAN\'T BACK UP!!!

Oh, I do back them up, but you ignore the evidence. What everybody else calls statistics aren\'t statistics for you.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:50:19 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 8 Sep 2022 06:28:17 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 1:13:08 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 20:28:00 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 3:19:18 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Some forests are 10x as dense as they were 100 years ago. In
California, things that grow have to be logged or have to burn.

Not precisely true; the giant redwoods (and lots of other species of tree)
were, in old-growth examples, so thickly covered in bark and had small
branches so high up, that the SMALL trees and brush would burn, but
not the adults.

And now, the megafirestorms burn everything.

The reason for that transcends the forest mismanagement/ neglect. Drought has played a BIG role in contributing to the enormity of the fires.

Droughts reduce plant growth, which reduces the material available to
burn. We don\'t have forest fires in deserts.

But you do have forest fires in dry forests. If the drought is intense enough to kill trees, they stay dry.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney